Tapscott: Well, these things have been done on a lower scale, smaller scale. IBM, for example, held a discussion of 400,000 employees over a three-day period. But I'm now in discussions with government leaders in several countries that are very serious about doing this, and this is not direct democracy, don't get me wrong, you know,2)Ross Perot and the electronic town hall, you get to vote every night on evening news. That's a.k.a. the electronic 3)mob. The democracy is a lot more than 4)majority rule on a nightly basis. But what we're talking about here is engaging citizens, especially these young kids who've grown up interacting rather than watching TV, engaging them in political life, and when you do that, good things happen from my experience. 5)Initiatives get 6)catalyzed. People start to learn more. They become more open to having real conversations. This is going to be a big change. And I'm hopeful that we're in the early days of something significant.
塔斯考特：嗯，这类动作曾以初级的程度、小规模的形式进行过。譬如说，IBM公司曾组织其四十万名雇员进行过一次为期三天的讨论。但现在，我正在与一些国家的政府领导讨论这一做法，他们对此非常严肃认真，但这一做法并非直接民主，不要误会我的意思，你知道，并非罗斯·佩罗特和他的电子市政厅公众讨论会，每天晚上你都能在晚间新闻中参与投票。那也被称为电子暴民。而民主政治却远甚于根据每晚投票数便能得出结果这么简单。但我们现在讨论的是如何吸引大众，特别是这些从小在交流互动而非呆看电视中长大的年轻人，吸引他们参与政治生活。当你那样去做时，根据我的经验来看，便会有好的事情发生。积极性得到了激发。人们开始了解更多的情况。他们变得更加开放地去进行真正的对话。这将会是一项巨大的改变。我们正处于某一重大事情的开端时期，对此我也满怀希望。
Conan: There's an interesting phrase—the Internet not entirely credible in some respects.
柯南：有一句有趣的话——在某些方面互联网也并非完全可靠。
Tapscott: Well, what's really interesting about that is that what I found in my research—and I've interviewed 11,000 young people—is that they've developed very sophisticated 7)B.S. detectors basically because there's so much B.S. on the Internet. You know when I was a kid, I saw a picture. It was a picture. When these kids see a picture, what is it? An animation or a robot or a 8)morph, and so they're a generation of 9)scrutinizers.
塔斯考特：嗯，对于这个观点真正有趣的地方就在于，我在研究中发现——我已经采访了一万一千名年轻人了——他们已经形成非常成熟的流言觉察感，主要是因为在网络里流言满天飞。你知道，当我还是个孩子时，我看到一幅图画，它也就是一幅图画。但当这些孩子们看一幅图画的时候，它又是什么呢？究竟是一张卡通画，或是一个机器人，或是一个变体，所以说，他们是审慎的一代。
